By Isabella Torregiani
3:28pm PDT, Jul 18, 2025
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What began as a discussion comparing immigration policies under President
Donald Trump and former President
Barack Obama with
Piers Morgan, quickly escalated into what journalist
Joy Reid called a "race-baiting ambush."
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During their debate, Piers Morgan and Joy Reid accused each other of fixating on race. Morgan first questioned why Reid wasn't bothered by Barack Obama's deportation numbers.
"It was three million," Morgan stated, prompting Reid to ask, "And your point being what?"
Morgan pressed her on why she wasn't upset by the high number of deportations under Obama, while Reid argued that President Donald Trump's approach had been more aggressive and lacked due "process."
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The discussion quickly shifted to race when Piers Morgan challenged Joy Reid to condemn Barack Obama's deportations, claiming he deported more people than any other American president in history during his eight years.
Reid responded by saying Obama made a "moral compromise" on the southern border to win Republican support, whereas President Donald Trump's actions were a "moral horror."
Morgan countered, "Obama deported a lot more people than Trump and most of them were brown and last I checked Barack Obama isn't white."
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Joy Reid challenged Piers Morgan's racial framing of the issue. "And what does that have to do with Barack Obama being Black? Now you're the one obsessed with race!" Reid shot back. "You want to make this a racial argument …"
The two ultimately continued their back-and-forth, unable to reach any agreement.
